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mffarmall
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Nov 29, 2005, 2:14 PM

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My horse will not let me get to clean her hoofs. She seems to get off balanced and does not like the feeling. She will lift her hoof but when I start to clean it she drops it and pulls away. Any ideas?


UncleBuck
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Nov 29, 2005, 5:02 PM

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Jim
Get a vet or farrier out, or some one who has a hoof tester- this will test the hoof for abscesses (infection)
A hoof tester applies pressure to the bottom of the hoof, finding the sore/abscess.
If you don't want to call anybody in try applying pressure with your thumb (don't think you can apply enough pressure ) If you do find tenderness soak the hoof (warm water with epson salt) for a couple days (2X a day)to draw out the abscess. If not physical problem its a training problem? back to basics time.

Buck

(This post was edited by UncleBuck on Nov 29, 2005, 5:10 PM)


Mark4510
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Nov 29, 2005, 5:40 PM

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Buck sure has a good point.

More info would help.

If this is something new then it might be wise to see if there is a valid reason for her to do this. She might be sore, she might get cramps, she might be arthritic which all make it hard on her to hold a foot up.

I would also make sure you are making it easier on her. I am sure you are but sometimes I find myself getting lazy and pulling a foot too far out.

If there is nothing wrong then I would assume she is just being a horse. It’s a bit harder to say without seeing her react but I would guess that you could start by continuing to pick up her feet(sometimes they just give up on being stubborn). If that does not work, then I might try backing her up every time she starts to put a foot down. You can also feed her some treats everytime she holds her feet up a little longer. Sometimes they just get stubborn unless you distract them so maybe having someone rub her gums or play with her lips will get you there.

I would not pick a fight with her over it however. I think it’s easy for horses to get fussy with their feet and resent having to hold them up. If she is already pin eared and acts like she might kick, be careful. In extreme cases I have seen Ray Hunt use a big soft cotton rope to take a foot away from the horse but that takes a ton of experience and talent in reading a horse and I am sure I don’t have the skills to do that in a safe way for the horse. It works well with the few people in the nation that can do it and I bet it wrecks a bunch of horses from folks that can’t.

Let us know how it goes….
Mark


mffarmall
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Nov 29, 2005, 5:53 PM

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Thanks for the information. I am planning on trying to use some treats and just stay after her but easy does it.

Thanks for the information.


JimHess
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Nov 30, 2005, 12:12 AM

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I agree with Mark's advice, and would say that, IF she is good natured and not a rank misbehaver, and IF it's not the result of a physical problem or pain, I would try holding on to the hoof. I have had young horses do this while fidgeting around and not paying attention, and when I continued to hold the foot they would start to go to their knees, but they quickly recover and get the message. Good luck.

-Jim


mffarmall
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Nov 30, 2005, 1:07 AM

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I was triing some of the ideas that you gave me. I was able to hold her hoof up for a few moments before she tried to get it away from me. She does not seem to be in any pain. I think that she is just playing king of the hill with me. So I am going to start exercising her more for shorter time periods. Take her for walks and love her up some. Try working around her legs more and her hooves. I think I'm going to have my ferrier out to work with her and talk with him about her.


Mark4510
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Nov 30, 2005, 3:44 PM

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I think that’s smart to get your farrier involved. A lot of time they will have a good sense of how to get a horse to keep their feet up. Most of the time its just experience on how far to push and when to back off.

Let us know what happens…..
Mark


mffarmall
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Jan 6, 2006, 12:23 PM

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I had my farrier out and her hooves look good. He used a nose clamp to distract her. That worked very well. She looks good and he gave me some ideas to work with her. He suggest to stay basic and get after her only when needed. I liked the nose clamp. I need to get one. Saw it in a magazine and thought that it reminded me of a chocker for a dog. But when you see it being used it can be helpful!!


Mark4510
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Jan 6, 2006, 3:06 PM

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Hi Jim,
I assume you are talking about a twitch. There are a couple of different types but the key is to not keep it on too long and not put it on too tightly if you choose to use one.

Having been down this path I might respectfully share the following as something to consider. Your email suggests that the farrier needed to twitch her to work on her feet. I am not opposed to using a twitch but consistent use can lead to other problems.

First try making sure that she has been worked the day before and, if possible a couple of hours before the farrier gets there. Some horses have too much energy to stand there unless they are a little worn out. If you have done that then you might make sure that the horse is in a quiet area to get her feet worked on. Sometimes there are too many distractions.

If she is ok to have her feet picked up but not held up for a longer period of time it might be that she gets sore or cramps. I know I sure could not hold a leg out like we ask them to for that long. Sly If she is ok picking it up but cant hold it then she might be back sore and sometimes a gram of bute before the farrier comes out can make a difference (of course using bute – a controlled substance you need a prescription for – should come from your vet). If she is hesitant to pick up her feet at all it may be that there are other problems and maybe your vet could give you an opinion. If your horse is sore, twitching her does not mean that it does not hurt her.

If she is just being contrary I might suggest working with her. Start by picking up a foot and PUTTING IT DOWN. A lot of people lift a foot and then sort of drop it when they are done. The vast majority of horses will tolerate it but when we had a problem with a horse that was afraid of being shod, Ray Hunt taught this trick and it works really well. Simply hold the foot to pick it up and then after a few moment, while you continue to hold it, put the foot down on the ground, while you continue to hold it. Once the horse has it on the ground and has stopped fidgeting then let go. Do this repeatedly until the horse does it willingly. As soon as it does this correctly you can pet it and give it a treat.

There is also a way to do this with a soft cotton rope for horses that are really fussy but it takes some real guidance from an expert to do. There are only a few horsemen that I know that can do this and not hurt or really scare the horse. For those where there is a problem this may be the only solution short of drugging.

Once you can get a horse to pick up its feet and then PUT it down while you control that motion, I would take a month or so to slowly extend the range that you pick the foot up and the time that you hold it. Be very quick to reward and VERY slow to “get after it”.

The reason I suggest doing it this way rather than twitching is that twitching tends to lead to other problems. I am certainly not an expert compared to some of the real good horsemen but I see this happen too often.

If you twitch consistently the horse will start to associate the twitch with something bad. As soon as you bring the twitch out they will become resistant which generally leads to a fight. Once you have to put a halter on them it becomes a challenge that you will probably not win. The other likely option is that the horse will associate the twitch with shoeing and you will have to leave the twitch on during the entire time. At some point that’s not going to work which may require you to drug. Then you will have to twitch to get the drugs in.

Any way…..you get the idea. It can be a downward spiral. Maybe you will be lucky and twitching is all it takes. I am just suggesting that you try getting the work done without a twitch.

By the way…..there are a number of ways you can twitch and most of the time we do it without a mechanical device. You can lip twitch with your hand which is, to me, gentler and easier to do. You can also use your hand to twitch an ear or on the neck. Although the lip twitch, for me, seems to work the best the others work on about the same principle.

Sorry for prattling on and I hope I did not read too much into your post…..

Regards,
Mark


mffarmall
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Jul 29, 2006, 3:24 AM

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I was riding her the other day and pulled her feet up. She let me do my job. I have been working with her for a few weeks. She understands that I don't want to hurt her. So she is much more comfortable with having me get at her hooves. And I don't even have a twitch. But will get one to help me clean her hooves if it is going to be a problem. I also fould that as TBs get older they can get hoof cracks and uneven growth. All she needs is to be cleaned up every few months. I don't shoe her. Thank you for the advice.


LazyJ_Arabians
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Aug 2, 2006, 5:04 PM

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I guess I have flies stuck in my mind today... make sure flies aren't bothering her while you are trying to work with her hooves.

Good dissertation on twitch use Mark, you'll be much better off in the long run leaving twitch-ing to the vet and not the farrier or yourself.


Mark4510
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Aug 3, 2006, 6:57 PM

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yea.....good point on the twitch. Its sure not the best thing to do and its sure easy to make a mistake that has lasting implications.

Thanks for the reminder......

 
 
 


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