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CJuneau
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Oct 27, 2005, 11:10 PM

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Fellow Horse Enthusiasts,
I have three horses, 7 yo QH/Perch, 5 yo TB/Perch and 3 yo TB/Belgian. None of which have shoes, and I intend on keeping them that way! Does anyone else prefer barefoot horses? My farrier is very progressive on this idea, especially once he saw how well horses (mine as well as others) do without ever wearing shoes! Keep in mind that these cross breed horses all have excellent blue horn hooves and no hoof anomolies. (Note that I grew up thinking/learing that all riding horses need shoes; my novice horseman husband was the impetus for us not doing the norm...and boy, am I ever glad!)
Discussion welcome!
Christina


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lkvaughan
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Oct 28, 2005, 9:32 AM

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christina

i have an 18yo trakaner that stays barefoot, and does very well competeing in dressage that way- if you put shoes on him his feet crack and he will pull a shoe within a week- so no shoes for him!

my sister has a QH that had good feeet, was shod and his feet went to H***! the horns started deteriorating (looked like a a toenail with a fungus infection), they were cracking, and were just BAD- she treied everything- different hoff treatments, supplementing with biotin, ect....we made the decision to pull his shoes last winter, and after a year his feet are GREAT! his soles used to be super flat, and his feet were flaring with the shoes- now his soles are nicely concave and the hoof is solid... she rides him on hunts, cross country, and dressage and so far he is sound- before with shoes he would have abesses, and be lame off and on... and all his feet are white- from the research that i have read there is no physiological difference between dark or white hoofs in terms of 'hardness'

i had a firends horse who had bad feet- the heels were contracted- he was in eggbars, they were chipping cracking ect... when i had him i became convinced that the egbars were making his feet worse! (it didnt help that he pulled them off on an almost weekly basis) i finally convinced her to try him barefoot- and he is doing great- his heels have spread and the hoof is much more healthy....and he is an eventer too....

the farrier we have at home is like yours- very progressive about barefoot horses- he has been telling me (and several of my sisters profs at vetschool have told her the same) that in our area they have seen a HUGE increase in horses that are having problems like my sisters QH- the hoof horn gets weak and crumbles- like we thought it seems to be a fungal infection that gains access through the nail holes and breaks down the tubules that form the hoof wall- horses with shoes ahve horrible feet, while horeses that are barefoot have good feet.... of course the wet weather we have been having in the summer/spring for the past few years has not helped

my 3yo anglo has GREAT feet- and has never had a shoe- i am like you- he will never have a shoe if i can get away with it- he will be my eventer and i dont think i will ever put a shoe on him

i have a friend that has a 20yo hanovarian that she competes in upper level dressage that goes better barefoot than with shoes- and he has a club foot!

my ponies growing up never needed shoes- and although i had one horses that needed them- i got to thinking why do all my horses need them?? i plan on going barefoot as much as possible...

although i have been having sucess with barefoot horses i just learned more about the 'barefoot trim' movement- ive been reading about it and so far am very intrigued- i think i might try it with one of my guys and see how it does- the theory behind it makes a lot of sense- so i figure its worth a try... take a look at the site www.nakedhoof.net- her site is good, but i was particularly interested in the sites that she links too (particularly peter ramsey's) some of the sites have examples of horses that are compeeting successfully in endurance, trail, eventing, ect that are barefoot- while not everyhorse will be able to do this it atleast means its possible- id be interested in other people interpretation of what they have to say....

thanks for starting this thread- i am also interested inwhat other people have to say...

happy riding!
kelly


CJuneau
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Oct 28, 2005, 4:16 PM

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Kelly,
Thanks for the awesome reply! I am so happy to hear from someone who shares interest in natural, barefoot horses! Many sporthorse people look at me as if I have grown a third eye when they find out my horses are not shod and that I intend on them staying that way.
I agree that alot of younger vets and farriers are leaning in this direction. Thanks for the link to nakedhoof.net, I'll be sure to look it over later!
Thanks again!
Christina


JimHess
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Oct 28, 2005, 11:33 PM

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Thank you for posting that link to The Naked Hoof. There's a lot of food for thought there, and a lot of interesting links from that site. We always carry and use Easyboots for emergencies, so it was interesting to go to their website and see their new products. We have always had to keep our horses shod for trail riding, because with all the pavement we have to deal with the hoof wear exceeds the rate of hoof growth. I wish it were not the case. To ride in the winter we have to use borium studded shoes with pads for the ice and snow. One winter recently, life got in the way and we didn't have much time to ride, so we left the horses barefoot. Whenever I got to ride I used four Easyboots with studs and that worked fine. It's just an extra hassle if you ride a lot to have to boot up every time. Thanks again for posting that website.

-Jim


MDKara
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Oct 29, 2005, 2:57 PM

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Fantastic! All of my horses are barefoot and will be staying that way. My farrier only does barefoot trimming and does an excellent job, even with problem feet. I had one horse with severely contracted heels because of poor shoeing that we are finally widening out. None of our horses have any problems going on any terrain. We live on a hilly piece of property that has a lot of rocks and tree stumps, etc. And that actually strengthens their hooves so that the can be "all terrain" on the trail. Glad to see there are other barefoot ATH (all terrain hooves) out there!

Kara

Horse Mom to Cowgirl (QH), Cricket (AQH), Charlie (TWH) and Circle (Arab)


CJuneau
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Oct 29, 2005, 6:55 PM

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Way to go Kara!
I hope that others look in to barefoot trimming and learn that if a horse is started on the barefoot trimming program (especially as a youngster), regardless of terrain, no shoes needed!Smile
I have a friend who's mare severly foundered last year and she had many different types of shoes put on her to try to make her sound again. Nothing worked. I recommended that she talk to my farrier. He has her mare on a barefoot program and she's doing great! The eggbars that her previous blacksmith had on her were making her breakover all wrong and she was sore. This type of program does work if one is willing to give it a chance.
Christina


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Mark4510
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Nov 2, 2005, 2:06 PM

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With Reining/Cowhorse critters it’s not an option during the show season but almost every chance we get we pull shoes for as long as we can in the off season. We just pulled the shoes off my wife’s good horse a month ago to let his feet spread. Even if you are going to throw shoes on when you start training again it really helps not only the size, shape and density of their feet it really help their entire lower legs. If you are going to pull them for the first time just pay really close attention to their feet for the first 6-8 weeks to make sure there are no negative surprises.

Mark


JimHess
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Nov 4, 2005, 5:41 PM

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Mark,
By negative surprises, do you mean the hoof wall chipping and flaking at the nail holes? Or something else?

-Jim


Mark4510
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Nov 7, 2005, 2:15 PM

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Hi Jim,
For sure those are things we look for. If the nail holes are close and the horses hoof walls are weak we tend to pay particular attention so we don’t lose a lot of hoof. Quarter cracks can also creep up although that does not usually happen unless the horse has poor hoof structure to begin with. We also look for general soundness to make sure that they are not getting foot sore.

If you have a horse that has pretty small feet, hard hoof walls and is stacked up pretty straight, they can be prone to getting foot sore to begin with. When you pull their shoes sometimes they can get sore if their feet start to spread too quickly. We try to keep them from going from a stall and wearing shoes to a wet pasture with no shoes. We may pull the shoes and leave then in stalls or turnouts for a week and then let them go.

We don’t have the cold/snow you do so we only have to deal with the wet since I don’t think we get more than 20 days below freezing and then it only gets down to perhaps in the teens at the coldest. Their water buckets will freeze up but that’s about it.

In the winter what sort of pads do you folks use? How do you keep the snow from building up under their feet?

Mark


JimHess
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Nov 7, 2005, 7:26 PM

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Mark,
The pads we use in the winter are full pads, as opposed to rim pads. Most people just put pads on the front feet, the theory being that they don't get snowballs on the rear as bad. We tried that and did get ice buildup on the hind, so we do all four. We use "shock absorbing" pads that are about 1/8" thick and rubbery. Our farrier shapes the shoes, then dribbles on borium with the torch. He fashions two studs at the toe and one at each heel. We get a lot of glare ice in the winter from the freeze-thaw conditions. We need enough stud to grip in the ice, but not too much for going on the pavement. The borium makes for extra strain on their legs, and that's why the shock absorbing pads - probably dosn't amount to much help with the shock, but it makes me feel better. And we try to keep off the pavement as much as possible. Oh, one other thing with the pads. Our shoer packs the sole with oakum. It looks like brown wool. Then he nails on the shoe with the pad attached. Some farriers put on the shoe and pad and then squirt silicone in with a caulking gun, then put duct tape around 'till it dries. One nice benefit to pads is we can be lazy all winter and not have to pick out their feet before we ride!

-Jim

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Mark4510
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Jim,
Is the oakum a filler material? What is the purpose of adding it in?

Thanks,
Mark


JimHess
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Nov 8, 2005, 2:35 PM

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Mark, the oakum is pretty much just filler material to fill the void, same with the silicone.

-Jim


tjkadar
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Nov 15, 2005, 12:14 PM

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Our farm is entirely barefoot. We have been using a certified barefoot trimmer (please, don't ever call her a farrier! Wink) for a couple of years now. We have a good mix of breeds ranging from yearlings to 30 some odd year old retirees. No matter the age, discipline, or breed, they have all improved by going barefoot.

Angela (our barefoot trimmer) has done some wonderful rehabilitation work with horses that have had some serious feet issues. She is currently rehabilitating a foundered jumper on her farm, among other 'project' horses. I admit to being skeptical at first, but she has made a believer out of me.

I am a very 'fact' orientated person. I do not believe in magic or cure-alls. Angela has been very patient and extremely knowledgeable. Not only does she trim a hoof, but she also explains what she is doing and why she is doing it. Once I started understanding the science behind the trim, I was able to accept what she was trying to accomplish. I am now a firm convert to barefoot trimming.

I have not seen a case yet where I would choose a shoe over a barefoot trim. Of course, I have not seen everything nor do I know it all.


CJuneau
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Nov 15, 2005, 4:03 PM

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Thanks for sharing your barefoot trim experiences! My trimmer made a believer of me too..(I previously thought that if you were going to do any kind of riding at all, you needed to shoe!)and I have spoken to several others who have joined the barefoot revolution...and these are people with eventing horses who do NOT shoe and compete successfully, without soreness or soundness issues! Of course, the best way to go is to never shoe in the first place, otherwise the trimmer has to "fix" the damage the shoes have caused in the first place.
All of my 4 horses range in age from weanling to age 7 and they have never been shod, have never had as much as a stone bruise or unsound day, and are turned out as much as possible and in regular work.Smile


spotless
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Nov 15, 2005, 11:30 PM

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My daughter is a member of the local pony club. We are the only members who have unshod horses. Sometimes I feel the pressure to shoe just to fit in, but I resist! I have seen the positive effects of bare feet in our Arab. He came to us with inclined hooves, or club feet, and was prone to severe hoof rot because of the steepness of his feet. We pulled his shoes, left him barefoot and saw improvement within 3 months. It has been several years since he has had shoes, and his feet have spread out to a normal incline. No more hoof rot. We have 2 other horses as well as a weanling, all are barefoot and we plan to have them remain so.


CJuneau
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Nov 16, 2005, 7:23 AM

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Glad to hear your Arab has been rehab'ed by the barefoot revolution! What kind of weanling do you have?
I bet that there will be more pony clubbers going barefoot once they see how well your horse performs barefoot! After all, seeing is believing!


spotless
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Nov 16, 2005, 8:27 AM

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I have unsuccessfully tried to breed colored paints, hence the name, "spotless". I have a breed stock paint mare which was bred to a very "loud" stallion last year and in May foaled a solid color filly. Both are very sweet and a good disposition is really what I wanted most. We have no plans to ever shoe the baby since we have enjoyed wonderful success with bare feet. Nice to hear others are joining this movement.


lkvaughan
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Nov 16, 2005, 9:10 AM

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my family pony clubbed for years- and i have been a horse management judge since graduating
all of our ponies (and some horses) went barefoot- and we took several ponies to national championships barefoot- i saw quite a few barefoot ponies and horses in the barns- in all the disiciplines- so you arent alone!
i believe that once more pony clubbers learn more about barefooting it you will see more and more- it goes so well with the total horse care that they teach...

glad your daughter is in pony club- my parents are still big supporters 10 years later because of the great education and strong foundation that it gave us. good luck!


UncleBuck
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Nov 17, 2005, 8:34 AM

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Have a Five year old App who is barefoot, used mainly in the show ring by my daughter in 4H, when we start using him for trail riding that might change, depends on him, only time will tell?, If there are no problems I'll keep him barefoot

Buck


CJuneau
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My barefoot trimmer told me that thinking that you have to shoe for trail is completely false. I agree that as long as you are in a ring with good footing, almost any horse can be barefoot. But, the same holds true for all horses who are properly trimmed by someone who specialized in barefoot trimming from day 1, they will never need shoes, in the ring or on the trail. I trialride my TBX mare on dirt roads,occasionally on pavement(although I don't enjoy riding along roads, but with urban sprawl sometimes it can't be avoided)Sly in the woods, through fields etc..as well as hunt her, barefoot. She has great feet and has never had a problem...of course she has been trimmed by a barefoot trimmer since she was 10 weeks old. Glad to hear that word is catching on. My vet is highly recommending this as well as she has also seen the wonders that it works for horses with navicular and founder.


mffarmall
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Nov 26, 2005, 8:13 PM

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I have my thoroughbred barefoot. I have blow sand and shoes are a mess here. The thing that I need to know is how many times a year should I have the ferrier out. By his account it should be more then I know is needed or that I should pay!!


UncleBuck
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Nov 26, 2005, 10:45 PM

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Jim
Normal horse with no problems, average 8 wks between trims, Had a foundered horse he averaged 6 wks until his "feet" were back to "normal", over 6 months.

Buck

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CJuneau
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Nov 27, 2005, 9:05 AM

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I agree with Buck, 8 weeks should be fine, and you may be able to stretch it to 10 if your horse has slow growth(my TBX can go 10 weeks). My others are every 8, so just for convenience I have them all trimmed together.Smile
How often is your farrier suggesting your horse be trimmed?


Mark4510
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mffarmall,
I agree that many horses can go 8 weeks. I would also consider finding a good farrier to help make that determination. The case for trimming more frequently, mostly for the short term, can be very compelling. If a horse’s foot is not in good shape, and they are growing quickly, you may find the horse may need a trimming at 6 weeks for almost a year. If you have a horse that naturally has small feet with very hard hoof walls, especially if they don’t grow evenly, you may find that 8 weeks puts a lot of stress on the rest of the leg.

We consider our vet, farrier and trainers as part of a team to help us keep the critters healthy and happy. Each of them takes input from the other to optimize our horses health and performance. We like to pull shoes as much as we can and it sure helps.

tjkadar.
Going barefoot is the way horses were supposed to go and most of the time they do better that way. However some events don’t handle completely barefoot horses such as reined cowhorse or reining where they should have “sliders” on the rear feet.

Also, as mentioned above, there are times when, for rehab purposes, that shoeing can help. If you have a horse with sore feet where a pad is required to reduce concussion shoes are a way to hold that pad in place for an extended period of time. If a horse comes in with a week hoof wall in many cases a shoe will help reduce problems down the road.

I am, however, interested in the concept of a certified barefoot trimmer. I know that two of the best leg vets on the west coast recommended the same program for our horses feet regardless if they were going to have shoes or not. So far I don’t see any information with statistics or valid surveys that indicate any significant difference in how a well trimmed/shod foot should work. If you can guide me that would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Mark


Jenifae
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With Love and Patience you get alot more done.

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