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boboren
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Nov 9, 2005, 9:46 AM

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This is my first post, so hope I am doing it right. I have two rescue horses that are 18 months old. One is about 925 pounds and the other is about 825 pounds. They are very healthy, but did appear to be a little on the heavy side. About three months ago, after discussions with our vet and farrier (who manages a horse farm), I cut their grain back to one cup in both the morning and evening. Grass at that time was plentiful, but they have just about grazed it all off. A few weeks ago, I started giving them a couple flakes of hay at both the morning and evening feedings.

I am new at this and was unsure what amounts of grain and hay I should be feeding them now that winter is approaching. I have read in one book that hay should be fed by pounds of hay that is determined by how much the horse may weigh. Other articles say to give them all the hay at night that they can eat. My horses always eat all that I give them and I am concerned as to whether or not I am feeding them enough.

Are there any guidelines I could use to determine how much grain and hay I should be giving them?

Bob Oren
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lkvaughan
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Nov 9, 2005, 11:17 AM

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Bob

welcome to the horse world!

Feeding is as much an art as it is a science. Unfortunately, just like people, each horse has a different metabolism and different requirements... lotts of books have great info- but there are very few of us that keep a scale in our feed room to weigh the hay (Mark are you sure you weren't a Pony Clubber in a former life??)! there are some basic rules of thumb, but they are just that- basic guidelines...

However- horses are designed to always have fiber in their gut, without it you risk colic, ect...- it is best if hores always have free choice hay/grass- but there are differences in the nutritional quality of the hay (and grain) and the individual horses to be considered...

on one extreme if they are gluttons like my mom's pony (who has a metabolic dissorder simmilar to diabetes in people) and can get fat on air and water- you may have to feed a 'lower' quality hay- she gets the year old hay- low nutritional value, but meets her fiber requirements- and gets vitamin supplements (we like ShoGlo)

on the other extreme you have a hard keeper like my old TB that you can shovel grain and high quality hay in and still strugle to keep him at a good weight during competition season.

it sounds like you dont have this problem (although its hard to tell just from their weight- you realy have to look at body composition to know if they are overweight...)

in the summer most of my horses dont get ANY grain- mabey a handfull for everyone else if i am feeding one of them anything substantial- but thats just to make me feel better :) in the winter my older horses, or the harder keepers, will get enough grain to keep them from losing condition- but remember there are multitiudes of different grains- my colt gets a basic sweet feed, whereas my 21 yo gets a senior complete feed...

in my oppinion horses do better being out all the time- remember they are designed to be moving around all the time- not only is it healthier, but it helps keep their digestive track working correctly... mine have tons of pasture and stay out 24/7 unless one is hurt (they do have access to a large run-in for protection from the weather & i blanket those that need it in bad weather). We supplement with hay in the winter- for 6 horses we feed 3-5 50 lb hay bales a day (more if its realy cold) or provide them with a good quality round bale to munch on (a caution with roundbales- horses are suseptible to mold and mildew and round bales can have lotts of both if they have not been put up and stored correctly)

a good way to evaluate your horses is to talk with your vet and farrier, as well as your local county extension agent- they can be great resources for a wealth of info.... the people at your local feed store are a good source of info too

a good website on feeding overweight horses is www.safergrass.org

there are lotts of different options, and just like with about anything, people have their oppinions about what is the best way to do things... this board is getting to be a great place to get some good info from a wide variety of backgrounds- so ask lots of questions Smile

best of luck!

kelly

ill have to second what mark says below....and like mark says- thanks for your service (& your work with dogs)!


(This post was edited by lkvaughan on Nov 9, 2005, 2:35 PM)


Mark4510
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Nov 9, 2005, 1:56 PM

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Bob,
Welcome to HorseByNet and, as Kelly says, welcome to the world of horses.

I would also second much of what Kelly says and I think you are on track by asking questions.

My thoughts are below and are general in nature as all horses are different.
  1. Young horses generally require more feed than older horses.
  2. Feed more bale feed in the winter. As Kelly says they are designed to graze (eat a little at a time but over a long period of time)
  3. Feed more at night so they have something to munch on while its cold. The act of digestion helps keep them warm.
  4. Make sure they have enough water that is consumable. If it’ bad or too cold the horses don’t drink enough to keep digestion really going.
  5. There are many types of bale feeds with differing nutritional values. The grasses (Rye, orchard, etc) tend to keep them eating but don’t offer as much in calories as Alfalfa. If you can get a good oat/alfalfa mix that works well for a lot of people. Normal simple light straw or hay does nothing for horses compared to other bale feeds
  6. Keep them wormed. We use a rotational system so we have a good wormer in them but rotate it so we hit different parasites.
  7. If you can keep them off parts of the pasture so it can recover then the horses will be better off than they would if it were grazed down.
  8. Have a good equine vet out to look at them now and then have the vet come back out in 3 months to check on them. The vet will be able to tell you how they are progressing. You can also ask your farrier or a good local trainer to check on them monthly to see if you need to add or take away more feed. Don’t be shy about asking for opinions or feedback. The best horsemen I know are always asking questions.
  9. I don’t think babies build character by shivering in a pasture so I think you should blanket or bring them in if the weather get too rough.
  10. I would tend to avoid pellets and cubes for young horses. Rather stay with bale feeds.
  11. Kelly is correct that you need to make sure that the bale feed does not get moldy or spoiled. Cattle can get along with it but horses don’t. Keep it dry at all costs.
  12. When you start working the babies monitor their weight and how much they eat. Not only do they consume more calories but the added stress of training can slow down their eating.
  13. Please don’t get a big tub or rubber tire to drop the feed into. Babies play a lot and it’ just one more accident waiting to happen.
  14. Weigh the feed. It’s an extra step but we do it so the horses get a consistent amount. I find that I break off bale feed in whatever flake naturally occurs and, as a result, sometimes they get too much or I cheat them.
  15. If the horses are pastured together watch them to determine which one is the dominant one. It’s not uncommon for the dominant one to chase the submissive one away. Horses just do that. If that occurs you can feed them a 100 feet or so apart or put them in separate pastures.


I am sure there is more but that’s all I can think of now. I am sure others will have feedback as well.

Regards,
Mark


Mark4510
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Nov 9, 2005, 1:57 PM

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Bob, one last thing.....thanks for your service to our country.
Mark


boboren
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Nov 10, 2005, 6:14 PM

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Thanks for the quick and informative responses by Kelly and Mark. I will be talking to my farrier and vet soon. Special thanks for taking the time to send so much helpful information. This is a good site and hopefully will continue to grow with people like yourselves.

Mark: Thanks for your support and gratitude for personnel in the Armed Services. Particuarly timely is that today is the Marine Corps birthday.Blush

Bob Oren
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Cottonhawk
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Nov 14, 2005, 1:50 AM

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Excellent replies with good information by Kelly and Mark.
My horses are about 1100 lbs each. I feed them twice a day with hay, grain, and suppliments. They each get one flake in the morning and two flakes in the afternoon. I always try to buy high quality second Orchards hay in two string baled flakes. They each get about two cups of grain each meal. They are also turned out all the time with good grasses in their pastures.
Btw, your GSD is great looking and looks like a champion working dog. We also have a young working line GSD. He is good looking and very smart.

Cotton


boboren
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Nov 18, 2005, 6:54 PM

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Thanks for the compliment about my dog. His name is Joschy and is a grandson of Yoschy who was a multi World Champion. Joschy came from the Tiekerhook Kennels in The Netherlands and has most of the qualities that his grandfather had. We have 9 adults and 6 puppies right now. Our horses think the dogs are pretty cool.

Bob Oren
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boboren
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Oct 29, 2006, 8:20 PM

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Cotton,

Are still feeding the same amount of hay as stated in your post last November? I have two horses and I feed one bale a day for both of them. They don't look undernourished and maybe I should cut back just a little on the hay. I feed them each one cup of grain in the morning and one cup at night.

How is your GSD doing. We belong to a Schutzhund Dog Club that trains at our place every Sunday. Have you done any special training with your dog?

Bob Oren
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junkman
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Nov 13, 2006, 2:38 PM

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You have gotten some good advise. Keep in mind that each horse is different than the others, and that their nutritional requirements are also individualized. Our horses all seem to have different metabolism's and each one has a slightly different diet. I only wish that it were as easy as feeding all of them the same diet, but it isn't. We watch each of them carefully for nutritional problems, and with the excellent care of our veterinarian, we have been able to keep them all healthy. Mrs. Junkman

After my family, horses are my life. Mrs. Junkman

 
 
 


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