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JimHess
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Oct 16, 2005, 10:36 PM

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What's your favorite trail saddle? Our never-ending quest for proper saddle fit has brought us presently to treeless "Sportsaddles". At least they have the potential to fit a variety of horses, but bring their own set of drawbacks. They are supposed to be used with a special pad with foam inserts, but without a tree to spread out the weight, there's not much protection between your butt and his back. We have used, and like, Sharon Saare saddles, because her thing was to send you several different shaped bare trees to fit to your horse, then make the saddle. You can end up collecting a bunch of saddles in hopes of fitting different horses. I've heard that in the old days the Cavalry tried to breed for uniformity in horse's backs. That would sure simplify things. -Jim

-Jim


Cottonhawk
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Oct 17, 2005, 1:14 AM

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My saddle maker has a system and instruction sheet for measure the horse back. Based on the measurement he built the custom saddle and it fit real well.

Cotton


jimbrown
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Oct 18, 2005, 3:44 PM

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Trail saddles may mean differet things to different people I think But we have two Tuckers and they are the most comfortable I have ridden.


JimHess
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Oct 18, 2005, 3:50 PM

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Cotton, glad you had success measuring your horse's back. We've done some different methods over time. Smith-Worthington makes a nice english trail saddle. Well padded and lots of D's. They had us use a thing for drafting, a flexible ruler. We bent it to the shape of the horse's back in several places a traced it on cardboard. Once we even made a plaster cast of the horse's back. (That took some patience on the horse's part.) -Jim

-Jim


Mark4510
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Oct 18, 2005, 4:38 PM

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My favorite saddle is a hard seat Buckaroo Wade. It has fit everyhorse I have ever put it on although they have been quarter horses. I am not sure if that qualifies as a trail saddle but for every day use its my favorite by far. The only thing I don’t like is that for competitions it sits a little high off the horses back and I don’t feel as much so I use a show saddle for reining.

I am not sure there is one saddle that will fit all but if you are going to have a saddle custom made most of the Makers will want to see your horse or, at a minimum, want to know what breed, what you plan to do with the horse and if you are going to have multiple horses they will probably want to know what body style you normally would have.

Regards,
Mark


Cottonhawk
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Oct 18, 2005, 7:01 PM

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"....a flexible ruler. We bent it to the shape of the horses back in several places a traced it on cardboard....."
It's the same type of system my saddle maker uses. We used several pieces of metal wires bent to the contours of the horses back at designated points and traced them on a printed sheet.

Cotton


JimHess
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Oct 18, 2005, 7:02 PM

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I guess what a trail saddle means to me is lots of places to tie sh..., I mean stuff, on. We tend to load them up with pommel packs, cantle packs, water bottle holders, etc. Many manufacturers will have a trail model, some call it an endurance model. Just as the space program brought us Tang and Velcro, the extremes of riding such as endurance racing and long distance competitive riding sometimes bring innovation in saddles. It's a challenge for us to be able to take everything we think we might need for a day out on the trail without it flopping and banging when we're running flat out. Even t
hough we're just pleasure riders, we like to mix it up.

-Jim


justmartha
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Oct 19, 2005, 2:45 PM

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My favorite trail saddle is rapidly becoming my Specialized Saddle (that's the brand). They are built somewhere between an endurance saddle and a western saddle, and are incredibly adjustable to individual horses with almost no effort whatsoever. They're also well-made, a problem I've had with some endurance saddles I've seen. When the guy who makes them brought mine up to me - we live fairly close to him, he fitted it to 6 different horses I have, from a wide-body Morgan mare to a QH draft cross, to a 3 yo Morgan colt. Took less than a minute per change. The web site is http://www.specializedsaddles.com and you can find out a lot there, but they also have a good video that explains things even more completely. The basic gist of the saddle is a western style tree with very heavy-duty neoprene pads that can be velcroed to the underside of the tree. You can move the pads, change thicknesses, or add shims as needed for each horse. The velcro is very industrial strength so things don't move when you don't really want them to.

Martha in NM
http://www.valverdemorgans.com

Martha in NM
http://www.valverdemorgans.com


JimHess
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Oct 19, 2005, 7:25 PM

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Martha, just checked out the Specialized website. That's an interesting concept they have. You're lucky that you're close enough for the guy to come and fit it. I wonder how you would know which shims to get otherwise. Do they come with all the different shims to switch around or do you have to order specific ones? Seems like it might take some trial and error, but it's good to have the ability to adjust them. Just curious, which model did you get? Of the three pictures of the endurance model, one had alot more tie rings than the others, and also a crupper ring.

-Jim


justmartha
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Oct 20, 2005, 12:17 PM

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Hi Jim,

I bought something that looked like the Western A-fork that's on the right side of their "western" page. I had him put on more rings and strings, and another slot in the back for tying stuff in. It has the English rigging.
The shims are just pieces of the neoprene padding/velcro combination that you cut to fit where you see a need. I only need them with one of my horses. It's too bad that part of his web site does not work because it's harder to explain than it is to show a picture.

Martha in NM
http://www.valverdemorgans.com

Martha in NM
http://www.valverdemorgans.com


JimHess
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Oct 20, 2005, 9:38 PM

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Martha, that certainly is a hybrid, a western saddle with english billets. What is the advantage there, the ability to snug down fore and aft independently? I kind of like the fact that western girths are usually wider. I like those large aluminum stirrups - I have a similar pair that I've kept through several saddle changes. The wide flat surface is really comfortable, and they are large enough to accomodate big insulated winter boots. That contrasting area on the seat reminds me of a Cashel "Tush Cushion", only built-in. The reason I say that is 'cause I just got one for my SportSaddle. Does your saddle have the horn? In streamlining the operation, that's one thing we've eliminated. We ride alot in the woods, and the horn tends to get in the way when you have to duck waaaay down. The price seems reasonable for a quality saddle these days. Good luck with it!

-Jim


justmartha
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Oct 24, 2005, 11:56 AM

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Martha, that certainly is a hybrid, a western saddle with english billets. What is the advantage there, the ability to snug down fore and aft independently?

Actually, it's a reduction in the bulk under your knee. The saddle has long billets, so it's rather like a dressage saddle. I use a Wintec dressage girth or a mohair girth on the saddle, depending on mood, horse, what's clean, etc. The girth is really just about as wide as a western girth, unless you use one of those really wide roper girths.


I like those large aluminum stirrups - I have a similar pair that I've kept through several saddle changes.

I like the wide stirrups, but am glad I got the leather-covered ones. My neighbor bought a nearly identical saddle at the same time but got the aluminum stirrups because of the "look" and she does not really like them as well. There's just a mental difference about being clonked in the shins with a metal stirrup vs. a leather-covered wood one when you are carrying/moving/saddling.

Does your saddle have the horn?


Mine does, my neighbor's does not. No woods here, and I sometimes pony young horses & like something to take a dally around. I also like to use a little pommel pack that slips over the horn where I can keep the controls to my dog's electronic collar where they are handy. He's a good dog but has a tendency to forget where his people are when a rabbit comes along Smile


Martha in NM
http://www.valverdemorgans.com


JimHess
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Oct 25, 2005, 5:15 PM

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Martha, I understand what you mean about reducing bulk under your leg. We sent our Sharon Saare saddles back to have the standard rigging replaced with a "dropped" rigging for that same purpose. I agree with you about the plain bare aluminum stirrups. I wouldn't want to get bonked with them. Mine are leather covered, makes all the difference!

-Jim


Trail_Time
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Oct 31, 2005, 7:32 AM

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I had a chance to ride on a treeless saddle this weekend. It was a very comfortable ride. You sit a little lower and therefore feel more in contact with the horse. The idea of no tree is that the saddle can conform to the actual shape of the horses back rather than create a couple of pressure points. That will be my next saddle purchase.


JimHess
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Oct 31, 2005, 8:22 AM

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Just curious, which brand was the saddle you tried? We're using Sport Saddles. We had tried another brand, from Italy, I think, called Lagg. Didn't like them as much. We really like the fact that they can fit different shaped horses. I think that you might have to be careful if you do a lot of slow going, where you are just sitting down in the saddle. We usually are zipping around and up and out of the saddle, but for a while I was going slow, riding along accompanying a younger horse. I noticed some white hairs on my horse's back under my butt. A friend who has had a Sportsaddle for a couple years is starting a young horse, and she says there are some white hairs under her seat bones. I purchased a Cashel Tush Cusion for the seat area of my saddle to try to give a little extra padding. I am about average weight, 160#. I think they are best for a lightweight rider, seems like a heavyweight rider could have problems because there's no tree to spread out the weight.

-Jim


Trail_Time
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Oct 31, 2005, 9:48 PM

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It was a Bob Marshall endurance saddle.


JimHess
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Oct 31, 2005, 10:12 PM

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Yep, that's what ours are, Bob Marshall Sport Saddles, endurance model.

-Jim


Becky Montanya
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Nov 1, 2005, 1:49 AM

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I love Tucker for a western saddle, but too much of a cheap ass to buy oneWink

 
 
 


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