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mffarmall
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Jul 26, 2006, 11:53 PM

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I am trying to change to a curb bit with a low port mouth. I am using a ring snaffle bit.

I put the new bit on and made all the changes to the bridle. And walked her around the rink for a while. Then road her in rink. She did great. Then I tried to get her to go out of the rink and ride around. She reared up and would not go through the gate. So I calmed her down and tried it again with same results. Then I changed back to her snaffle and she did good. But with the snaffle does not have same directioncontrol results as the curb bit.

I want to change her because when I ride in the rink she does much better with the curb bit. She does better with my signals. The snaffle seems to cause her to be confused by signals from me.

What steps do I take to change her over?


Mark4510
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Jul 27, 2006, 8:16 PM

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Hi Jim,
It sure sounds like it should work. Generally there is a transition when going from one bit to the next regardless of the type. Normally if she does well in the arena and out with a Snaffle you would think that she would be ok out of the arena with a different bit once she was ok with it in the arena.

Does she normally get a bit nervous or chargey when she leaves the arena in a Snaffle? How old is she? Are you the only one that has ever owned her? If not, did she get ridden hard outside the arena in a big bit?

The other thing to think about is do you change when you ride her out of the arena? I can tell you that horses can pick up when a rider gets nervous. You may not notice it but they can and sometimes other riders can see the smallest changes.

Check to see that you dont have the chin strap to tight or that something is pinching her in the mouth. I am sure you know this but a shank bit puts way more pressure on the mouth than a Snaffle so make sure that when the bit is in that there is just the smalles of a smile wrinkle on the corner of its mouth. Check the bridle to see if its too tight.

It may be that when you go out you take just a little more hold of her than normally and she may feel pressured.

Any more info might help.

Regards,
Mark


mffarmall
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Jul 29, 2006, 12:05 AM

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That is good to hear. I played a lot of golf as a kids (by self) and got good at reviewing my body positioning. So I will try to see if that is the problem.

Gracie is 12 yrs TB from a race track. 6 owners before me. When I got her she looked like hell. So I started her from the ground up. English to Western conversion. Curb bit presure might be the problem. Not to mension me. Next time I will probably exercise her on a rope, then ride for a while in the rink and take a short spin outside the rink.

It could also be that my high society (English)girl might not like sluming this side of the Mississippi. Cool


mffarmall
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Jul 31, 2006, 11:51 PM

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I tried the curb bit and I need to get some side spacers so her mouth does not rub against the metal. But she did very good with it. I only had some behavior when I was walking her and holding the raines. I find that she wants to walk behind me. That's not goint to happen (ever). So I find that I need to retrain myself to walk her on reins. And she needs to get use to it. Please give me any tips that might help. I also am going to try to use a breast collar to keep her head in check.

left side of the horse, even with head, reins about 2 " in right hand and rest in the left. Walk and look at her. If she tries to reir up I get 45 facing her. Don't pull down but don't let go. Stay away from the front hoofs. If she tries something push off neck and step out and to the side. Always facing sideways to her so if she does kick I get it in the leg or arm not the chest or worse (even though I have all the kids that I want).


Mark4510
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Aug 2, 2006, 2:42 PM

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Hi Jim, It sounds like the bit is working for you. Make sure that it is made out of 'sweet iron' and has copper in it. This helps the horse salivate more and the bit does not rub them as much.

It seems like you want to keep her head in check. Is she flipping her head up or flinging it around?

I think its great that you are working on her ground manners. Its always good to have a horse that knows and trusts the boundries. For me, things like ground manners boil down to respect and trust. Horses tend to get pushy or aggressive if they dont know the status of the herd (and that includes people) or they dont trust that the rules are always the same. If you can get a hold of some Clinton Anderson tapes on ground manners it might really help.

When you are working on ground manners remember that, as hard as it is, getting mad or upset makes it worse.....every time.

If I am walking a horse I want them to be on my right side and back a few steps. If their head is just behind and to the right of my right shoulder that is about correct. The only time I might stand at their shoulder is if they are really chargey or want to strike. If they are prone to strike with a front foot I would take them into a round pen and work on things there first.

I leave some slack in the lead line or rein when I walk. If you have a bit in thier mouth every little movement or increase in pressure they will feel and may get protective. Soft and slow hands are a good thing. I generally try to have about 2 feet of lead line with a sag in it in my right hand and the rest in my left.

You can also carry a small riding crop in your right hand so if she bumps into you she can get a quick tap with that rather than yanking on the reins or lead line. Start by walking forward and stopping. If she does not stop in a stride then gently tap her back with the crop. Continue to increase the pressue until she steps back. One step is all you need. Once you have mastered that then you can go to walking forward and making a 90 degree left or right hand turn. If she bumps into you then bump her back with the crop one step. I suspect that if you will find that, over time, she will learn the rules and respect them. You also need to be patient and VERY consistent. Horses like rules that dont change. They learn rules from the herd and they think of you as part of the herd. You need to be higher in the herd pecking order than she is and you wont get there by being too harsh......mostly be gently insistent and consistent.

Horses are prey animals and know the humans are not. As a result they tend to be a little leary of us anyways. Direct eye contact is something that generally makes a horse nervous so I dont use that very often. If I am walking a stud colt I keep my head down and move really slowly. If for some reason he is too pushy and is trying to be dominate I may use the crop one time, lift my head, look him in the eye, lean forward a bit and take quick little short steps. Once I get the desired response or step back I immediatly revert back to my slow, head down approach. All I wanted them to do is not run over me and take a step back when they get too close. The second I get that reaction I want to release the pressure.

Long reply....I hope it helps some. Sometimes its harder with an older horse but it will get there.

Regards,
Mark

 
 
 


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